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		<title>By: feedalizr used by a charity to get out of jail free &#124; MIH SWAT</title>
		<link>http://www.mihswat.com/2008/10/07/is-twitter-another-internet-paradigm-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>feedalizr used by a charity to get out of jail free &#124; MIH SWAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jail4bail started using feedalizr to engage with the users on friendfeed, flickr and twitter a paradigm shift occurred: users on every social media platform in South Africa started &#8216;talking&#8217; about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jail4bail started using feedalizr to engage with the users on friendfeed, flickr and twitter a paradigm shift occurred: users on every social media platform in South Africa started &#8216;talking&#8217; about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rhett Trickett</title>
		<link>http://www.mihswat.com/2008/10/07/is-twitter-another-internet-paradigm-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhett Trickett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the one thing that has been missed in this discussion about Twitter is the strength of it&#039;s character limit function. When I first began to use RSS feeds I thought this was going to be the best way to keep up to date with news, but the truth is that it just became an information overload after subscribing to more than 15 feeds, this is because they are unlimited. 

After using Twitter I realised that the character limit forces &quot;broadcasters&quot; to get right to the point with their tweet and this allows followers to have a simplified high-level view information search which they can then drill down into should they be interested. This simplified info can then be ported to various apps of your choice, which is pretty much standard 2.0 these days.

So ultimately I would say that Twitter has found it&#039;s niche here in respect to the the web 2.0 paradigm shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the one thing that has been missed in this discussion about Twitter is the strength of it&#8217;s character limit function. When I first began to use RSS feeds I thought this was going to be the best way to keep up to date with news, but the truth is that it just became an information overload after subscribing to more than 15 feeds, this is because they are unlimited. </p>
<p>After using Twitter I realised that the character limit forces &#8220;broadcasters&#8221; to get right to the point with their tweet and this allows followers to have a simplified high-level view information search which they can then drill down into should they be interested. This simplified info can then be ported to various apps of your choice, which is pretty much standard 2.0 these days.</p>
<p>So ultimately I would say that Twitter has found it&#8217;s niche here in respect to the the web 2.0 paradigm shift.</p>
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		<title>By: Wogan</title>
		<link>http://www.mihswat.com/2008/10/07/is-twitter-another-internet-paradigm-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Wogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason and all those other weird and wonderful solutions, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason and all those other weird and wonderful solutions, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wogan Don&#039;t forget Beltel inbetween :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wogan Don&#8217;t forget Beltel inbetween <img src='http://www.mihswat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peterhd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterhd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to riff on some of the ideas above.  I have been reading Marshall McLuhan again, particularly &quot;Understanding Media&quot; and doing a bit of side reading on the idea of media ecology.  Trying to place some of my ideas about the web in &#039;context&#039;.  

Within this context Twitter is not so much a paradigm shift as a natural result of the &#039;Status&#039; in Facebook, as Facebook is a natural result of IRC and IRC a result of BB&#039;ing.  On a continuum of hot to cold media one can place Facebook as a hot medium and Twitter as a cold medium as exemplified by:  &quot;A movie is thus said by McLuhan to be &quot;hot&quot;, intensifying one single sense &quot;high definition&quot;, demanding a viewer&#039;s attention, and a comic book to be &quot;cool&quot; and &quot;low definition&quot;, requiring much more conscious participation by the reader to extract value.&quot;.  &quot;McLuhan observes that any medium &quot;amplifies or accelerates existing processes&quot;, introduces a &quot;change of scale or pace or shape or pattern into human association, affairs, and action&quot;, resulting in &quot;psychic, and social consequences&quot;. 

As such Twitter creates a unique media ecology. A &#039;cool&#039; one requiring &#039;much more conscious participation..to extract value&#039;.  To borrow the phrases, to &#039;extract value&#039; or &#039;the essence&#039;, one needs to study the ecology of Twitter, the social and psychological effects to see the essence of this &#039;conscious participation&#039; where it might be leading and thus achieve a head-start on what might possible.  The answers one would be looking for would then be: do applications like Feedalizr facilitate this extraction of value and if not what is required?  Is there a business model for Twitter or is there a business model for the ecology that Twitter creates, within the changing &quot;human association, affairs, and action&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to riff on some of the ideas above.  I have been reading Marshall McLuhan again, particularly &#8220;Understanding Media&#8221; and doing a bit of side reading on the idea of media ecology.  Trying to place some of my ideas about the web in &#8216;context&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Within this context Twitter is not so much a paradigm shift as a natural result of the &#8216;Status&#8217; in Facebook, as Facebook is a natural result of IRC and IRC a result of BB&#8217;ing.  On a continuum of hot to cold media one can place Facebook as a hot medium and Twitter as a cold medium as exemplified by:  &#8220;A movie is thus said by McLuhan to be &#8220;hot&#8221;, intensifying one single sense &#8220;high definition&#8221;, demanding a viewer&#8217;s attention, and a comic book to be &#8220;cool&#8221; and &#8220;low definition&#8221;, requiring much more conscious participation by the reader to extract value.&#8221;.  &#8220;McLuhan observes that any medium &#8220;amplifies or accelerates existing processes&#8221;, introduces a &#8220;change of scale or pace or shape or pattern into human association, affairs, and action&#8221;, resulting in &#8220;psychic, and social consequences&#8221;. </p>
<p>As such Twitter creates a unique media ecology. A &#8216;cool&#8217; one requiring &#8216;much more conscious participation..to extract value&#8217;.  To borrow the phrases, to &#8216;extract value&#8217; or &#8216;the essence&#8217;, one needs to study the ecology of Twitter, the social and psychological effects to see the essence of this &#8216;conscious participation&#8217; where it might be leading and thus achieve a head-start on what might possible.  The answers one would be looking for would then be: do applications like Feedalizr facilitate this extraction of value and if not what is required?  Is there a business model for Twitter or is there a business model for the ecology that Twitter creates, within the changing &#8220;human association, affairs, and action&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Wogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason &quot;Twitter = IRC with a permanent archive.&quot;? I&#039;ve seen IRC servers with pretty permanent archives. Not publically accessible, but permanent nonetheless.

All that twitter really did was take microcommunication (exactly like IRC or Jabber), and demystify it. I remember how daunting my first foray into mIRC was - it&#039;s not exactly 100% non-tech-savvy-person friendly. However, with de Tournay&#039;s work in creating pJIRC, I think that IRC would have become much more &quot;mainstream&quot; if given enough time.

One of the downsides to the great and open and free and almighty Twitter (or Facebook), is that there is no such thing as content moderation. Even if the admins get involved, people can duplicate and spread content so fast, it&#039;s virtually unstoppable. This is where IRC is vastly superior.

And given the sort of damage that can be done to brands (and people) by malicious and disenchanted users, moderation is a good thing. And no news spreads like bad news.

All that Twitter really serves as is Yet Another Communications Tool. Essentially, the only people that end up deriving any sort of value from it are the megalomaniacs like Scoble that lord their superior fanbase over you, and the New Media types that have DSL and time to waste. There never was a problem with using a blog to broadcast your daily activities, nor an RSS reader to stay in touch, nor a comment box to provide comments/feedback.

The _only_ value I ever got from Twitter were a few odd URLs that ended up being posted to Muti anyway. Other people have had little instant debates/discussions (mostly about marketing) - and they were severely hampered by the ridiculous 140 character limit.

So no. The major paradigm shifts probably occurred back in the BBS days, when normal people were suddenly able to discuss things with people from around the world in centralised forums, as well as share pages, thoughts, pictures, etc. All that&#039;s changed from there to now is the amount of Javascript we use and the amount of people that sign up.

And as Antonie mentioned - the business models suck. The only companies that can really sustain social platforms like Facebook/Twitter/whatever are the ones with diversified portfolios that are raking in profit from other sectors.

~ Wogan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason &#8220;Twitter = IRC with a permanent archive.&#8221;? I&#8217;ve seen IRC servers with pretty permanent archives. Not publically accessible, but permanent nonetheless.</p>
<p>All that twitter really did was take microcommunication (exactly like IRC or Jabber), and demystify it. I remember how daunting my first foray into mIRC was &#8211; it&#8217;s not exactly 100% non-tech-savvy-person friendly. However, with de Tournay&#8217;s work in creating pJIRC, I think that IRC would have become much more &#8220;mainstream&#8221; if given enough time.</p>
<p>One of the downsides to the great and open and free and almighty Twitter (or Facebook), is that there is no such thing as content moderation. Even if the admins get involved, people can duplicate and spread content so fast, it&#8217;s virtually unstoppable. This is where IRC is vastly superior.</p>
<p>And given the sort of damage that can be done to brands (and people) by malicious and disenchanted users, moderation is a good thing. And no news spreads like bad news.</p>
<p>All that Twitter really serves as is Yet Another Communications Tool. Essentially, the only people that end up deriving any sort of value from it are the megalomaniacs like Scoble that lord their superior fanbase over you, and the New Media types that have DSL and time to waste. There never was a problem with using a blog to broadcast your daily activities, nor an RSS reader to stay in touch, nor a comment box to provide comments/feedback.</p>
<p>The _only_ value I ever got from Twitter were a few odd URLs that ended up being posted to Muti anyway. Other people have had little instant debates/discussions (mostly about marketing) &#8211; and they were severely hampered by the ridiculous 140 character limit.</p>
<p>So no. The major paradigm shifts probably occurred back in the BBS days, when normal people were suddenly able to discuss things with people from around the world in centralised forums, as well as share pages, thoughts, pictures, etc. All that&#8217;s changed from there to now is the amount of Javascript we use and the amount of people that sign up.</p>
<p>And as Antonie mentioned &#8211; the business models suck. The only companies that can really sustain social platforms like Facebook/Twitter/whatever are the ones with diversified portfolios that are raking in profit from other sectors.</p>
<p>~ Wogan</p>
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		<title>By: Antonie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at it quite differently.  In essence it is this constant update of where your friends are and what they are doing.  this might not be new but is now more mainstream than ever.  I also believe that the technology for this will improve dramatically, including GPS and virtual presence detection to name but a few.  Is it a sustainable business model, I don&#039;t think so!  Microsoft bought into Facebook at 15 billion, one year later the founder struggled to cash in at 3.75 billion, why?  bad revenue growth.  Then the key question is this here to stay as a mainstream business or as a peripheral add on to something else.  I personally think that the current global financial crisis will cut deeper and longer than what You and I are willing to believe right now.  Why do I mention this, I think this may very well kill a lot of free internet services and as such I do not believe a standalone business like twitter will survive, but as an add on to QQ or Mail.ru, yes there are enough single child people out there that would require a constant friends feed on all devices possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at it quite differently.  In essence it is this constant update of where your friends are and what they are doing.  this might not be new but is now more mainstream than ever.  I also believe that the technology for this will improve dramatically, including GPS and virtual presence detection to name but a few.  Is it a sustainable business model, I don&#8217;t think so!  Microsoft bought into Facebook at 15 billion, one year later the founder struggled to cash in at 3.75 billion, why?  bad revenue growth.  Then the key question is this here to stay as a mainstream business or as a peripheral add on to something else.  I personally think that the current global financial crisis will cut deeper and longer than what You and I are willing to believe right now.  Why do I mention this, I think this may very well kill a lot of free internet services and as such I do not believe a standalone business like twitter will survive, but as an add on to QQ or Mail.ru, yes there are enough single child people out there that would require a constant friends feed on all devices possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Garb</title>
		<link>http://www.mihswat.com/2008/10/07/is-twitter-another-internet-paradigm-shift/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Garb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in no way saying that IRC and Twitter are alike in usage.  Besides -- IRC is a protocol whereas Twitter is just a web service. I am saying that they both satisfy the human need to broadcast one&#039;s self, particularly to like-minded people, and to be acknowledged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in no way saying that IRC and Twitter are alike in usage.  Besides &#8212; IRC is a protocol whereas Twitter is just a web service. I am saying that they both satisfy the human need to broadcast one&#8217;s self, particularly to like-minded people, and to be acknowledged.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Neil and Allan here on Twitter being a morphed version of IRC. Blogged about this last week: http://www.jasonelk.com/?p=22. Twitter = IRC with a permanent archive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Neil and Allan here on Twitter being a morphed version of IRC. Blogged about this last week: <a href="http://www.jasonelk.com/?p=22" rel="nofollow">http://www.jasonelk.com/?p=22</a>. Twitter = IRC with a permanent archive.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m leaning towards Neil&#039;s point of view on this one.  I&#039;ve always thought of Twitter as &quot;IRC-like&quot; in that my twitter feed is simply a global IRC chat onto which I&#039;ve applied filters (people I follow).  Each person&#039;s twitter stream then simply becomes their own customized view into that chat room.  I don&#039;t disagree that it&#039;s a great web app (I use it pretty much all day),  but the way in which people are using it is pretty much as a big chat room.  I think what is more interesting than labeling twitter as a paradigm shift (because I don&#039;t believe it is) is in looking at the way in which people are using it.  The creators may not have planned for Twitter to be another vehicle for idle chat, but that&#039;s certainly how a lot of people use it.  Water coolers, twitter....  it&#039;s all conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m leaning towards Neil&#8217;s point of view on this one.  I&#8217;ve always thought of Twitter as &#8220;IRC-like&#8221; in that my twitter feed is simply a global IRC chat onto which I&#8217;ve applied filters (people I follow).  Each person&#8217;s twitter stream then simply becomes their own customized view into that chat room.  I don&#8217;t disagree that it&#8217;s a great web app (I use it pretty much all day),  but the way in which people are using it is pretty much as a big chat room.  I think what is more interesting than labeling twitter as a paradigm shift (because I don&#8217;t believe it is) is in looking at the way in which people are using it.  The creators may not have planned for Twitter to be another vehicle for idle chat, but that&#8217;s certainly how a lot of people use it.  Water coolers, twitter&#8230;.  it&#8217;s all conversation.</p>
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